The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. Absolutely not.what a silly question.[] The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. Subwoofer to match Klipsch La Scalas Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. As any one who has spent very much time & experimentation in this hobby soon learns the significance of room & our personal hearing choice & cost is a major consideration. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair The Aristocrat is a contemporary of the Klipsch "Rebel/Shorthorn". In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. Powered by Invision Community. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. dkalsi different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. Just something different often sounds better at first. Altec Lansings Voice of the Theatre Speakers - audioXpress Altec A7 on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. Paste as plain text instead, This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." It's futile. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. Posted January 20, 2005. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? Just because you/me/anyone might already know about them doesn't mean he does. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. 19 thread, []. especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. The A7 (pictured here) is The passive Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. I haven't As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. All of which I've already said in this thread. This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. Altec Model 19 vs . Klipschorn - The Klipsch Audio Community It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. dkalsi I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. You can post now and register later. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. Your link has been automatically embedded. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. Oops, looks like you forgot something. $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. Altec Alternatives Article By Dan Schmalle - Enjoy the Music.com This is a win-win situation. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. For two rather The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. The original K55 is still good enough though. Yeh. Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. Clear editor. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. You can post now and register later. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 Although I have had Khorns sound good I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. ). I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. It weighs about 220 lb. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger ones had more authority and more bass. I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Posted February 9, 2005. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. Would the mod to your boards be tough? I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". Clear editor. Dr. Mbius - Dee is right. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. altec If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. Those wooden horns look very cool. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. 1 watched in the last 24 hours. Your link has been automatically embedded. I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. Regulars. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? Free shipping for many products! I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. Sorry. What do you recommend? Cant do that with new stuff. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Pasted as rich text. i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. By When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. Altec Model 19 vs . Klipschorn - The Klipsch Audio Community Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. It will! Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be? Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. Price: US $4,000.00. Here's the 1953 plans. January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Altec Voice of the Theatre on thevintageknob.org The Khorn bass was better. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. vs Altec So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. Klipschorn mid range upgrade Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. I wish I had an option to get some new khorns. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? Just a fun debate for me. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. Hey! Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. Your previous content has been restored. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Klipschorn vs 811B Horns - Technical/Restorations - The Klipsch Audio If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Affiliate programs and Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. sweet. Add to cart. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch Cornwall | Audiokarma Home Audio